Since President Donald Trump was inaugurated for his second term, a protest movement called ‘No Kings’ has been gaining steam in the United States. Millions of people are estimated to have attended thousands of protests against the Trump administration across the country. The movement lacks a central leader or single coordinating organisation, making it an example of widespread grassroots action which could be emulated in other countries threatened with authoritarian takeover.
In this interview, FPC Senior Fellow Andrew Gawthorpe spoke with Hunter Dunn, national press coordinator for the organisation ‘50501’ (short for ‘50 protests, 50 states, 1 movement’). 50501 one of the many organisations involved in the No Kings movement, in which Hunter participated from the beginning. Andrew and Hunter discussed how the movement got started, how it organises protest, and what lessons it might have for activists in other countries.
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Andrew Gawthorpe [AG]: People all over the world and particularly in Europe have been watching this grassroots resistance to Trump come together, particularly the No Kings Day protests. 50501 was an organisation which didn’t exist a year ago, and now has contributed to some of the biggest single day protests in American history. What is motivating so many people to be involved?
Hunter Dunn [HD]: This is a struggle for the perseverance of the American experiment and more importantly, the lives of millions of people. We’re looking at every person who is an immigrant or can be portrayed as an immigrant, every LGBTQ+ person, every anti-fascist…. All of those people’s lives are at risk, and either they would have to not exist here anymore, or if Trump’s team fully got their way, they wouldn’t exist, period. Democracy’s at risk, freedom’s at risk. The rights and continued existence of entire groups of people are at risk. That’s it. I can’t think of anything more important than that right now.
AG: When you’re building a movement like this, is it important to be tactical about the causes that you pick to focus on? What are the concrete causes that people talk about the most?
HD: When we were starting out, there was definitely a decision to target Elon Musk specifically. What Musk and the DOGE budget cuts did to this country and also to millions of people abroad is insane. We know how many people their decisions killed and are going to continue to kill with cuts to international aid. But also there was a tactical decision to focus on him by calling him the ‘shadow president’ because there was a degree of truth to it, and it led to a conflict between him and the rest of them, which led to him being forced out.
One of the biggest other causes is ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement][1]. That is the biggest one for me. There are masked secret police operating in this country without oversight and accountably and they’re throwing our neighbours in concentration camps. And I think the median politically informed American now agrees that this is bad. And I think that’s a massive shift from where we were a year ago.
And I would say the last one, which not enough people who are on the more liberal side talk about, but that’s a really big deal on the left, is the way that the US, especially under Trump, but even before, has contributed to dictatorships and genocides abroad. We want to end that.
AG: How do you scale up a movement like this? How much of what is happening in the movement is centrally directed and how much of it is bubbling up from below? And how do you handle the tension between those two things?
HD: This movement doesn’t really take a lot of central direction. It’s not controlled by one person or group. It’s more like a relay race where there’s a pass off between these large national days of action to smaller, local events like feeding people for example or targeted demonstrations against ICE or police brutality. That feeds into building momentum towards the next national day of protest, which recruits a whole bunch more people to do these other things. Some of those individual actions are totally from the ground up and I have no idea who came up with them and some of them are centrally planned.
We communicate digitally across the country. But resistance is local first. That’s going to look like meetings, potlucks, protests that are organised on the ground. You are seeing coordination, whether it’s through social media, whether it’s through secure messaging platforms, whether it’s through me going on the TV and just saying something and a bunch of people’s flyers that contribute to a great artistic culture, which is really sorely needed in activism and organising.
And that’s why you cannot really tell the story of this one person, one leader, one group that a lot of people want, right? People want a great man in the theory of history. They want to think that we have a terrible man in power, and a great man’s not going to remove him. But that’s not how it is. It’s going to take all of us.
AG: Has your movement faced harassment from the authorities? Have they targeted the organisers and leaders, as Trump threatened to?
HD: The nature of the movement makes it difficult. We don’t have leaders. There is very little central leadership or organisation to target. What happens centrally is using just people from the local chapters coming together to pitch ideas. I don’t think the Government understands that in our structure, the local chapter leaders have a lot more influence than someone like me. They don’t know who to target.
Our finances also make us difficult to target. Money doesn’t come through the national organisation. So it makes our finances difficult to target by the authorities. Money is raised and spent locally by hundreds of different groups. They could arrest me and it wouldn’t change anything. Again, realising that resistance is local and building it there is the key to resilience against the authorities.
AG: I’m wondering what theory of change people have in the movement. How does this movement ultimately achieve its goals? Is that ultimately through the electoral process, or something else?
HD: There’s not going to be a one-size-fits-all answer here, right? I work with groups who are actively involved in the electoral process to different degrees. I’m not partisan. That doesn’t mean I’m not political. I’m absolutely political. I’m just not beholden to party establishments. We support policies or candidates or politicians on an individual basis. We’re not going to take orders from a political party because our independence is valuable. We do uplift local and state endorsements in some cases and we do support absolutely. We do collaborate and work with groups that include elected officials and people running for office and we will uplift them if they say something or do something that we agree with.
Even elected Republicans like Representative Thomas Massie. I’m still baffled whenever he agrees with us, but he sometimes does. And then you have people in office who are Democrats who are unfortunately helping the regime more than some Republicans are, right? Again, it’s not about parties or being beholden to the establishment.
I also think the theory of change is fundamentally less electoral than people would think. We expect that Democrats will win the midterms, despite Republican attempts at gerrymandering. We think that J.D. Vance, Mike Johnson, whoever else they find in the woodwork, is going to lose in 2028. Then they’re either going to try to rig the election from the get-go or they’re going to just try not to leave office.
And at the end of it, it’s going to take how many people did we activate and how many more people can we activate to go into the streets and shut things down? Until National Guardsmen, veterans, civil servants, until they can gather together and disobey an unlawful order and help bring power back to the people, right? That’s the theory of change.
[1] “ICE is taking the lead in carrying out the Trump administration’s mass deportation initiative, which was a central promise of Trump’s election campaign. The US president has significantly expanded ICE, its budget and its mission since returning to the White House. The agency enforces immigration laws and conducts investigations into undocumented immigration. It also plays a role in removing undocumented immigrants from the US.” Source: BBC News, What is ICE and what powers do its agents have to use force?, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp80ljjd5rwo